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| lazerbem | May 24 2015, 01:58 PM Post #1 |
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Excelsus is being piloted by Akane from GXMG(just because she seems to be the most competent pilot) and both Akane and Godzilla act in character. So Godzilla isn't going to do atomic breath from the get go and Akane is bloodlusted pretty much. I think that if Godzilla used the breath from the beginning, he'd win. But since he doesn't, Excelsus's HF swords should make quick work of Godzilla(they destabilize molecules as they slash and considering the feats of smaller HF blades, they should be more than capable of slicing Godzilla in half) |
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| lazerbem | May 27 2015, 07:15 PM Post #16 |
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Excelsus's weight unknown, but given the scaling of the RAY ![]() Which weighs over 500 tons, one could easily place Excelsus in Godzilla's weight category.
It's still an assumption though. I could say that Excelsus has poison gas blowers but just didn't use them since Raiden doesn't need to breathe. It would make sense for a giant military robot
You rely on the assumption that the breath takes up energy
He was getting wrecked for an hour, but he doesn't fire the atomic breath for some reason. . Maybe the female, but the male was impaled on regular steel support beams. His exoskeleton did little to save him from dying rather pitifully. The male also acts rather stupidly
Godzilla only learned his lesson after being slapped around by the male five times. Seriously, the male does a pretty fine job of holding the fort by himself against Godzilla and only loses because he flies at Godzilla in a straight line and at tail level. If he had flown at head level, he wouldn't have died.
He had trouble defeating the male MUTO until the male MUTO flew at him in a straight line. And while Excelsus can't fly, it can tunnel through rock and dirt with remarkable speed, and given this Godzilla's lack of intellect, I can see it pulling a pitfall trap on Godzilla. Excelsus can also dish out far more damage than the MUTOs can, is equipped with long range weapons, and is being piloted by someone competent.
HF blades are very hard to break, but as you can see from the battle, the arms aren't quite as tough. 2014 Godzilla's breath is mostly concussive force, so it might tear off the arms. Of course the problem is that 2014 Godzilla doesn't see an hour long asskicking as a good reason to use his breath, and I see no reason as to why Excelsus can't disembowel him, pitfall him, or even strafe him with the plasma cannons(which apparently cut better than HF blades, according to Doktor("It's not a plasma blade, there are limits to what it can cut")) |
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| + Steve | May 28 2015, 01:40 AM Post #17 |
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Greetings. I will be your waifu this season.
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Godzilla should win this. You're overestimating the HF blades here, the damage they do is based on the strength of the wielder. Compared to Raiden the MG was piss weak he could throw it around pretty easy and even cut it with it's own blades. So I doubt it would be making cuts nearly as big as Raidens. Plus Godzilla tanks nukes. Just because the MUTO's damaged him doesn't make him weak they're crazy insect things who most likely have incredibly dense exoskeletons. Put it this way, a man can crush a wasp with little to no effort, wasp can still sting the man though can't it. He's going to have a hard time swatting the wasp out the sky too. Basically what that fight was only a bigger more powerful wasp, it would be like a man fighting a wasp 100x the size with knives for hands. Still way smaller than the man but definitely doing damage. Just because they were smaller than Godzilla doesn't mean they were extremely light and weak in comparison. Can that not even apply to Excelsius? It got wrecked by someone way smaller than it, hardly top dog is it Anyway Godzilla should win this I doubt Excelsius could handle being stomped on by...apparently 90,000 tons, amplified by the force of stomping down that's some huge damage. Even if he misses Atomic Breath won't. |
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| lazerbem | May 28 2015, 02:49 AM Post #18 |
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Was this ever shown or stated? It works by breaking molecular bonds, that's not really a strength sort of thing unless you're dueling another person with an HF blade or someone who can resist it like Armstrong. Godzilla has not shown his flesh to be quite that dense(which is the most important part as to whether or not he can resist it)
Nah, the codecs all agree that Raiden isn't really on its level in terms of strength and he needs to weaken it by damaging the legs. One of the codecs goes so far as to say a single stomp would kill Raiden(Though Raiden's durability has been underestimated before). Besides, losing to Raiden isn't really a shame, 2014 Godzilla would get murked by Raiden.
If by tank, you mean be koed for hours, then yes, he did do that. And as for the MUTOs, the male died to being impaled on some steel support beams, hardly a good durability showing. And still, Godzilla was pretty much unable to heavily wound the MUTO male until it flew at him in a straight line.
The analogy kind of falls apart when you realize that the man was getting his a*** handed to him for more than an hour by the "wasps". not to mention that you're drastically undersizing the Excelsus.
When one of them was completely ran through, his exoskeleton completely pierced, by a steel beam, it does make them light and weak. Hell, the fact that Excelsus's arm can survive the torque of being judo flipped already gives it more durability, not to mention the fact that Raiden's slashes, which can chop RAY in half, are ineffective until he wears down the armor(stated by codec so its canon and not just a gameplay mechanic).
That someone smaller than it moves at hyper sonic speeds, has absurd levels of strength, and defies all logic by swinging a sword the size of a ship. That's not something to really be ashamed off, especially since even after being flipped and slammed along with having three limbs severed, the Excelsus could match Raiden in a sword fight for a bit
Excelsus can dig through the ground, that gives it an escape route. It's also quite agile, given how quickly it gets up after being slammed by Raiden.
2014 Godzilla has to get slapped around for an hour to use it, even then, it's got a charge up time and Akane isn't going to let him have that |
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| + Steve | May 28 2015, 10:40 AM Post #19 |
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Meaning HF blades aren't all powerful then. I don't remember there being some magical metal in MGR that can withstand being cut by them mostly. Not to mention that Raiden has a HF blade against Solidus who has seemingly regular katana's IIRC, yet he was clashing with Solidus' swords and not just cutting him in half. Pretty sure the male died because Godzilla's tail spikes and the force of the hit killed it steel beams are just a bonus. Nothing really suggests that's what killed it, did you see the movie in a theater? That crack when the male gets hit is freaking loud, that fool is dead in one hit for sure. And if not it's wings and most of it's body would obviously be broken so out of the fight. I didn't actually mean the wasp would be Excelsius in this fight(only just noticed how I basically described it as such )Again they have big blades for limbs not like they'd be punching him with arms made of marshmallow the fact that he could handle all the stab wounds he received is impressive alone. Being smaller doesn't mean something should have no chance of killing it's opponent, nature proves that. |
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| lazerbem | May 28 2015, 07:30 PM Post #20 |
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There actually is, most custom cyborgs and certain UGs wear armor that can take a couple of slashes to break down(as per codec). All that means is that they're more heavily armored than the RAY, who was chopped in half by Raiden without having to weaken the hull. There's also Armstrong's nanomachines of course. It's worth noting that the RAY is made out of CNT, so it's basically got diamond armor. HF blades are plenty powerful, and ones as big as Excelsus's are going to leave huge wounds
Katanas in the Metal Gear verse are just better, of course he blocked it. Also, while my memory is rusty, the wiki says Solidus's blades are HF blades
He didn't even hit the male with the spiked side of his tail and I think that the impalation being the kill shot is the more logical assumption here. Otherwise, I can say that the Kamacuras in FW died due to Godzilla crushing its abdomen and not being impaled. Sure, it's not contradicted, but the fact that the movie spends time showing the impalation says to me that it was impaled, not crushed. Besides, the exoskeleton wasn't exactly warped or crushed, it was pierced.
And yet they prefer to grapple than to stab. It's weird, Gigan and the MUTOs both grapple their opponents 70% of the time instead of stabbing them right off the bat. Besides, the thing that's more impressive is that Godzilla didn't see a need to use his atomic breath even after being owned for an hour
Exactly why Excelsus can win this |
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